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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 6, 2012 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

As in number of times played.

Also, of all the songs in the top 25 how many are GD?

Surprise-> 'Any Major Dude Will Tell You' by Steely Dan. At #1! What? 70s AOR w/ all those sweet hooks. http://tinyurl.com/26eqfbc

6 out of 25 are GD (4 out of 25 are Phil & Friends from http://tinyurl.com/at8y8s) Only 6? Can I still post here?

Not one song from 6-24-70 which is shocking to me.

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Poster: yesss! Date: Feb 7, 2012 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

i am shocked. only 1 dead tune in my top 25 and it is, of all things, rosa lee mcfall from reckoning. wow. i think it is because i have a separate ipod full of only GD that i rarely plug into itunes and update, while my main ipod is updated often and gets a lot of use. plus i tend to skip to the next song if the tuning is dragging on at the end of a gd track.

either way, just because i know it is insane, here is my itunes top 25...

1. Hir Aanii Dhowyen ma Halabsado - Iftin
2. Don't Fight It (Version) - Sound Dimension
3. Sundog Sinners - Obsidian Pond
4. Tezeta - Mulatu Astatke
5. Loro Bronto - Amiek Dasuki
6. Russian Lullaby - Oscar Aleman
7. Bless the People Everywhere - Burden Lifters
8. Daily Vacation - Ducktails
9. 가나다라마바 - Kim Jung Mi
10. Lost Highway - Bob Dylan
11. Milenu - Tèwèldè Rèdda
12. Gloria Dolores - Hans Joachim Roedelius
13. No Place I'd Rather Be - Emil Richards
14. Your Lady - John Coltrane
15. Tomorrow Never Knows - Junior Parker
16. Veterano - Harmonia
17. Rosa Lee Mcfall - Grateful Dead
18. Filles De Kilimanjaro - Miles Davis
19. Motion Pictures (For Carrie) - Neil Young
20. Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground - Blind Willie Johnson
21. Kentucky - Blue Sky Boys
22. Rpeg - Autechre
23. Malaguena - Carlos Montoya
24. Waterloo Sunset - Kinks
25. Katie Cruel - Karen Dalton

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 7, 2012 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

Wow, quite an eclectic mix.

Of course, this is a pretty inaccurate assessment of what our actual favorites are. Alice D. Millionaire is my #1 song according to iTunes. While I love that song, it's not nearly one of my favorites. But if I have 2 minutes to listen to music, I put it on!

But my #2 is the Candyman from 2/24/74 which is actually one of my favorite songs, possibly my favorite version of that song, and an all-time favorite show.

I do also have 2 Dark Stars in my top 25:
- DP 36 (09/21/72)
- 11/02/69

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Poster: yesss! Date: Feb 7, 2012 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

yeah, i laughed when i saw my top 25. i can't even pronounce some of the stuff on there!

and, yeah, most played (or, more accurately, most played to completion) is not necessarily the same as favorite. a lot of my top 25 are songs that i have had on my itunes since i got it so, naturally, they have gotten more play. and a shorter tune may get played all the way through more often than a longer one because there is less time for the listener to actually skip it (one of my top 25 was actually a 6 second drum sample that accidentally made it into my "favorites" playlist and comes and goes without even being noticed). and in my case, most of my music is played via my main ipod (not my gd-only one, as i often use the archive for gd if i am at home), which gets used for personal listening as well as social situations where i have to cater to people who aren't up for a 45 minute playin'. in fact, my number 2 tune was a huge shocker because i couldn't really even remember it by name, but when i listened i realized that it was on several different playlists that all got a lot of action a few years ago. still a good jam, but certainly not one of my favorite songs.

love that 2/24/74 candyman, btw. great solo.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 7, 2012 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

가나다라마바 by Kim Jung Mi? Gee, I prefer his other tune, 마가바나마가

Fascinating list. I think your iTunes uses i ching.

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Poster: yesss! Date: Feb 7, 2012 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

kim jung mi is awesome! she was a korean singer who put out some psych-pop albums in the early 70's. i just tried to find my favorite of her songs on youtube but there isn't much on there. found a good one, though. dig it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYkgjr6V8DI&;feature=related

and a bonus track...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhetFInmJ6Y

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 7, 2012 11:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

That is pretty neat. I think I'll send the links to some friends with a Korean kid ... do you know it was just Hug A Korean Day?

(That notion is surreal. Imagine Hug An American Day. Would there be more fistfights or harrassment suits? But Korea ... well, if you fly on Korean Air, the video safety presentation is made with teddy bears. A daddy teddy bear puts an air mask on the baby teddy bear.)



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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Feb 7, 2012 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

Respectfully, for without exception, you all are amongst the most highly regarded members of this forum and, if I may speak for at least a portion of the 'lurkers' and infrequent 'posters', your contributions to this forum are incredibly valued. I cannot convey how much I've learned simply from reading your posts and minimizing my comments. However, this series of posts seems to be an apples and orange conversation (and I obviously have too much time on my hands this morning): 4 out of 25 favorites are Phil & Friends? #1 from a Steely Dan studio album? 3 version of BIODTL? (No judgement here; just observation of how divergent the responses are.) If I may suggest a simpler question, what are among your top 25 favorite (or most played) songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the Grateful Dead (e.g.., no Bob Dylan songs that JGB covered, no Phil & Friends version of Scarlet Begonias, no favorite versions of The Eleven--which is personally difficult for me to not choose). I'll offer up five songs to perhaps get some reaction (and will avoid artists such as John Coltrane or Edith Piaf who would take this in a completely different direction): Rolling Stones Moonlight Mile, Joni Mitchell River, Counting Crows Anna Begins, The Verve The Rolling People, and (total cop-out) Radiohead OK Computer just because it's (IMHO) the best album since (and perhaps including since it's not a "4-side" album) Exile on Main Street or The White Album...but I'll take No Surprises if I must only choose one. I guess the most interesting fact from this exercise is, though I listen to recordings of GD concerts 95% of the time, when I'm not listening to a live GD show, my preference is for studio recordings, frequently with highly engineered, multilayer tracks...the exact opposite of what I love about even an average Charlie Miller SBD of a GD concert complete with AUD patches and a lousy mix during the first few songs until whoever is working the soundboard gets everyone's mikes dialed in.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 7, 2012 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

Thanks gd. AR is correct in that for itunes users it's just a pre-installed folder that adds up the number of complete plays over time. It is extremely inaccurate of overall music listened to. For example, it does not count most things on LMA (some stuff dl though). It does not count my youtube channel. I never paid any mind to the folder until I had a 'what the hay' click yesterday. I still can't get how or why Becker & Fagen get the gold ribbon. They have two other songs in the top 25 so it's not a fluke.

It's an interesting juxtaposition you have with the live GD versus highly polished studio work. The fact that there are folks who would listen to an AUD or an iffy recording by GD while they never would tolerate that quality of sound by other musician(s) speaks volumes about GD. I mean I've been waiting for a long time to hear the S/F from Barcelona '81 and I would go pretty low in quality to give it a listen.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 7, 2012 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

Grateful, I took the question to be about that little tab on the iTunes sidebar that says "Top 25 Most Played." If you click it and check the stats, they can be pretty funny. Doesn't necessarily indicate intentional "favorites;" just says what you've hit "play" on a lot.

(In theory, someone could listen to 99 percent GD and have only one other album loaded onto iTunes, but break their GD listening up among a gazillion shows and listen to that one album once a month; songs on that one album could then end up as "most played.")

As for non-GD "favorite songs ever" ... yikes, that would require actual thought :-)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 6, 2012 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bet I have the biggest surprise

I win! I win I win! Nobody else will have as big a GD surprise as me. I promise you. Really.

But first, here’s the tally.

9 out of 25 are GD. The rest are bluegrass/old-time.

I obviously really like gals with strings. My most-played tune turns out to be Hit 'Em Up Style by the Carolina Chocolate Drops. It’s from their Genuine Negro Jig CD, but here’s a live version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBw3KRFlSk Other Gals With Strings on my Top 25 List are Abigail Washburn (Eve Stole the Apple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVq7Gji744) and her cool version of Nobody's Fault but Mine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5avMOaEUxRQ&;feature=related) and Loreena McKennitt (As I Roved Out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC4uTJpmEIE). That last is Irish, so it’s one of several that my kid requests a lot; he’s definitely impacted my Top 25.

My Number Two Most-Played Song is another of my kid’s faves, High on a Mountain by Del McCoury (or, as kiddo puts it, “that Steve Urkel guy.” He used to say he hated bluegrass, but he’s obviously changed his mind, since he keeps asking me to play it. Unless he just finds it funny. A live version, starting at :19, is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2dgqyi7AU)

My first GD tune is third on my playlist. It turns out to be, of all things, Doin That Rag from Live at the Fillmore East. In fact, ALL my GD “Top Plays” except one turn out to be from the ‘60s. Also on the list: Little Sadie (12/26/69), Viola Lee Blues and Dark Star (DP 22, 2/23-24/69) and The Eleven (10/12/68). The only post-60s turns out to be China Doll (10/29/73). Whaddaya know.

But the BIGGEST GD SURPRISE is …

drumroll please …

Cardboard Cowboy from 7/16/66. Guess I had to hear it a whole lot of times to believe it.



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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 7, 2012 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bet I have the biggest surprise -no kidding!

AR - Cardboard Cowboy! I had to go listen to it, twice... I had never heard it, it's whacky. Very unusual, I'm assuming that's a 19 yr old Weir on vocals. Unique show with In The Pines, Pain in My Heart, You Don't Have to Ask, et al.

I do a lot of listening here at work, even though my major GD collection is at home – but even so, 18 tracks were GD, suprisingly mostly acoustic Dead. Otherwise, I stream a lot when I'm working, trying to keep up with all the recs people here throw our way - an impossible task. On the home machine, a big favorite is 4-26-71 Fillmore East, and Veneta Aug. 72 has a lot of play on my iPod.

To GrDiver's point - I can be somewhat eclectic sometimes, but lately very GD focused. You might say I'm stuck in the 70s: I still enjoy Joni, David Bromberg, Leo Kottke, Beatles, Steely Dan et al... but right now I'm focused on learning the guitar and playing tunes for myself.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 7, 2012 11:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bet I have the biggest surprise -no kidding!

Lots of acoustic doesn't actually sound that surprising when you think about how that "top 25" works -- there's comparatively little GD acoustic, so when you're in the mood for acoustic, you have less to choose between. That would drive up the numbers.

I also noticed that, if I look within my iTunes at various shows/albums and number of plays, there are actually a LOT with the same number of plays as tunes counted as "top 25." So I think there's an element of randomness when the numbers are equal. Or maybe how it's arranged in your iTunes folder. (Actually that does seem to impact it. I have a bunch of GDs with equal number of plays, but it captured only the earliest ones ... and my GD is arranged in time order. So, if numbers are equal, it'll count what's first in your folder.)

Btw, the words to Cardboard Cowboy are insane. It involves the shards of a hungry scream, a paranoid re-entry blanket and mashed potatoes dribbling in the heat of reality's earth. Phil wrote it, and ... well, you can see why he didn't become the lyricist. He also wrote the music, and apparently they called it The Monster because it was so hard to play. (It was also called No Turn Left Unstoned.)

But I think the biggest GD surprise is a tossup between me and deniro. He's got Alice D Millionaire at number ONE. I mean, Cardboard Cowboy is weirder, but ... number one?!? :-)



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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Feb 6, 2012 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

All 25 are GD.

The big surprise is the number of beat it on down the line versions (3). I guess you can get in a lot of listens with the short songs. For ipod/itunes, you must finish the song, if you dont it doesnt count. I think a lot of the time I will change songs before the track actually ends.

Its also suprising that my most played morning dew is 1972-11-13, and that its the only dew in the top 25.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 6, 2012 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

9 GD, 5 JGB. The rest of my current Top 25 (in iTunes), includes Kimock, Hot Tuna, and Cream.

Biggest surprise = Two Djinn by Ratdog (w/ Kimock) from this show, which is probably the best Ratdog show I've ever heard:
http://www.archive.org/details/ratdog2007-08-11.ratdogvibes2007-08-11

Seriously, check it out!

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Feb 6, 2012 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

copperhead road by steve earle. and three wilco tunes.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 6, 2012 10:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

14/25 are GD - I have four(!) different versions of the Other One in my top 25.

My No. 1, amazingly, is NOT GD, its Peter Rowan's cover of Moonshiner, by Bob Dylan. Great song, great version.

My biggest surprise...I guess that would be Gimme Some Lovin' by the Spencer Davis Group. Damn Steve Winwood can sing!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 6, 2012 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Song is a Surprise in Your Top 25?

Which TOOs?